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Thursday, February 14, 2013

Capp, Conspiracy, And Cash

So, yesterday I was crusing The Debris Field website and see that Lesley had made Joe Capp's post the top post of the day. I bookmarked it. When I went to return to Media Matters today I got the message that the blog had been removed. Say What?

Now, this could be some temporary blip, of course. Or, it could be that the post was intended to be Joe's last blast at UFOlogy and the conspiracy folks. And, almost regardless of which, the post was something that I wanted to comment upon - so, I went to Goggle's cache to find the content now unavailable.

These were Joe's points that I wanted to comment upon as he indeed hits a few particular points very well - like his first one:

UFOS -ROSWELL NOT A CONSPIRACY!

For a number of years I have believed that Roswell and the data being withheld on the UFO experiences were a conspiracy. But if you're very objective you have to admit, if UFOs are space craft and Roswell was real, than to keep that from the public was reasonable and not for any sinister motive.

I know that many have sold books on this subject

I want to say that I feel Joe is right that it indeed `could be viewed as reasonable and not sinister' - Joe then goes onward to define what a conspiracy is - `think the dictionary' when it comes to what Joe defines.

Suppose you're the head of the Joint Chiefs and you find out there are intelligent visitors from space, probably interplanetary(that is what the assessment was at first - Project Sign) and far from communicating their purpose here they are to all purposes seeming to gathering strategic military defense  information. What would you do?Remember you are releasing this information also to  the craziest human critters on this planet? Would you still feel conformable with the possible outcomes?

At this point, IMO, Joe is bringing it home in spades - he's right, nothing sinister at all. (While I'm not familiar with Project Sign I assume he is being accurate.).... But, then, I believe I begin to diverge on Joe's thesis.

The United States has millions of guns. Many countries are paranoid right now could you imagine what it would be like. Here we have an intelligence that could land anywhere leave in a flash and out maneuver are fastest jets and missiles. I think we protest too much when it comes to the indictment of our country and of our government.

If Joe is simply suggesting that someone has decided to not confirm the alien thesis and is suggesting that this is a continuation of the previous policy - I agree. What I begin to disagree about is the actual level of public or world concern about an alien `threat' - I do not believe that there is such a concern in all honesty. And, it's that APATHY that allows for the continuation of a policy of denial of confirmation.

After all, -------- there is PLENTY of released info - official USA info - just look into my sidebar. TONS of proof of what? Tons of proof of the range of human perception, mixed in with a sliver of real phenomenological aliens. That more than likely do not pose a threat to our civilization - if it is to be called that.

And, perhaps it's just my Libertarian mindset, and I think Joe is a democrat, that he is so so so very supportive of `the government'. IN NO WAY DO I THINK `we protest too much'........................ I mean, come on Joe, you have got to be kidding me. But, perhaps I'm splitting hairs and Joe is only extending this blanket government cover about UFO's only.

They were protecting your ass believe it or not, You and I would not be standing here if the military hadn't listen to their superiors on these orders. I believe humans would have taken up guns and shot at these objects believing they were communists - don't laugh that is what at first they thought UFOs were - secret weapons from the Soviet Union. 

Taken up guns?......... And, people have shot at UFO's both normal people and the government - according to reports. ........... This is simply a non issue IMO. And, I'd hardly be thankful for the military for `following orders' or `making orders' on this decision - as IMO - it was probably a mutual decision anyway. AND, IF aliens were found at the scene of the Roswell crash, the USSR thing is meaningless as far as being a point of contention. And, that's the thing - was simply an `alien craft' found - or were there indeed aliens.

Does anyone
Here we are decades later and we still don't know what they are or why they are here.The government did the best they could and I truly believe they are not sure what is happening and what is here. 

Quite true - perhaps. IF indeed in the wonder years of the 50's the stories of actual government contact are to be totally discounted. IF such meetings occurred, the powers that be may indeed KNOW what is going on and what we see is what the `policy' is. The `policy' being that the presence is NOT a threat to civilization in some grand fashion. (That said, it is certainly possible that our electronic presence in the universe and it's expanding time bubble horizon is informing more possible intelligent civilizations of our location for study. Or, the possibility that NON phenomenological aliens/entities are also a real presence at times for humans.)

Now, the funny part is that when I read this article originally, it included words not here in the cache..... words about the `conspiracy folks' being the folks of the `free energy' crowd and something else. What is `funny' about that is that - the `conspiracy' crowd IS the `UFO Disclosure' crew that is making it''s annual circuit proclaiming to know the truth about the `aliens' and that it includes the `free energy' that the government is withholding from us all. 

Now, I'm already on record somewhere in this blog stating largely the same thing as most Clockers know. And, that is that the UFO Disclosure circuit of speakers are `believers' in versions of the `conspiracy' theory - simply with a different slant. Everything that is going to be disclosed about the human and `entity' experience - is disclosed ---- what more can be said, the reports are replete with accounts of extraterrestrials being observed or interacted with in some manner. And, the obvious question is only the `concreteness' of the event.

Anyway, Joe then ends his post with these words:

We as a community could take a giant leap in creditability. We could  kick this BS to the curb and didn't support, by purse string or  links, these attacks on the greatest  government in the world and the people in the CIA that protect us. 
How can anyone watch the movie ARGO and not  love the best in the US government -and I believe  the best at that time decided the public was not ready for the UFO reality.

So, it appears that Joe has perhaps been reading UDCC'S dissing of the UFO Disclosure Dog and Pony show - as obviously he too is ready to no longer be silent on those demanding `disclosure' - tied with an agenda (the free energy angle).

But, Joe again, to me, goes a bit too far in his unadulterated support for the governments position IMO................ Greatest government in the world?????? The CIA `protecting' us?............ (perhaps a small point here) (Never saw ARGO, I think thankfully.) And, as I said above, the decision to change the original `flying saucer' story to a story of denial - can legitimately be supported by rational people. And, not be a sign of a conspiracy.

Well you ask what about now?  We may be ready for UFOs  but aliens - we can't even get along with each other. 

So, ultimately Joe declares his support for the notion of an under informed public on this one issue - aliens. No alien disclosure.................. It's not an unreasonable position. AND, his NON support for the dog and pony sheisters. To which I say HERE HERE.

So, to make the conspiracy theory complete - the day after Joe dissed the UFO Disclosure Conspiracy `community' - his blog vanishes. The very next day after he declares it to be `The Conspiracy Money Maker'.

Say What?
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Will UDCC be next? LOL.
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(I've already played out several scenarios for the government to come clean so to speak - and how it could indeed be done IMO - without major disruption to society. That said, it would be a delicate situation in all likelihood in our 24 hour media as they played out all the implications, including world security and `abductions'. But, it is a risk for no reward and is something not likely to be done for any political reason. Let alone coming clean on the black budget............ or is that too conspiracy for you...... LOL.
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10 comments:

  1. Sorry, but it is time for Ufology to lose its anti-government bias. That song has gotten old.

    If it weren't for the government we'd all be goosestepping and speaking German, and some of us would be forced into camps to be gassed. If it weren't for the government, African-Americans would still be made to sit in the back of the bus and be lynched for sport. If it weren't for the government man would not have walked on the moon.

    I'm disgusted this bias has saturated the issue of UFOs and that people in Ufology crassly encourage and exploit loony conspiracy theories and paranoia in order to continue making a buck.

    Yeah, almost everybody in Ufology hints at having proof or having seen the proof of what the government is hiding from us. But I also notice that undeniable, irrefutable hinted-at truth is never forthcoming for free. That's right, we have to register for the conference or buy the book, which always turns out to be a disappointment filled with misinterpreted data, hearsay testimony, statements taken out of context, questionable documents, totally biased analysis, witnesses whose stories don't hold water, rehashed speculation, etc.

    But wait, don't worry, that proof of what the government is hiding from us will be coming out in the book after that one or at the conference after that one . . .

    No wonder the percentage of Americans who believe UFOs are real continues declining. They're just too smart for Ufology, only Ufology isn't smart enough to have figured that out yet.

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    1. Purr Girl - First, I appreciate your comments.

      Just for the record, my anti-politics bias has nothing to do with UFO disclosure. Anti government views are hardly the result of UFO folk.

      As far as how history would have turned out --- please...... that said, of course the government has done the RIGHT thing on occasion, usually when it suited them in some manner.

      As far as the UFO Disclosure Annual crew meeting - agreed, the law of diminishing returns.

      Rick

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  2. Wow -- someone's been thinking along the same lines that I have.

    As much of an interest I have with this subject, I can't help but ponder that many of the major players in this game of our government have humanity's interests at heart. I'm not willing to say that this is always the case, but I do believe it holds true, generally speaking.

    I try to avoid any outlet of information that charges 'fees' for supposedly crucial knowledge that really doesn't change the course of life for the better.

    The dog-and-pony show needs to finally put up, or shut up. I think just about everyone with more than a passing curiosity on this issue have grown exceedingly moribund with rumors and half-truths.

    The only events keeping me interested -- at this point -- are my own strange experiences (and seeing that there are others with similar experiences.)

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    1. Hello anonymous,

      To be honest, I don't know if Joe's portrayal of the original flip-flop in the Roswell case is portrayed by the UFO Disclosure crowd as sinister. That said, certainly the UFO Disclosure crew does portray the `free energy' being withheld as sinister IMO.

      And, I don't even know if all of what is trotted out even is rumors and half-truths, indeed some may be describing actual phenomenology that occurred. That said, they are well beyond the put up or shut up stage IMO and as I've noted in this blog - are doing nothing more than demonstrating the lack of press force on this issue.

      High strangeness will indeed bring folks to some of the material I write and comment about. You are welcome to describe anything in this comment section if you wish too - especially if you believe it adds to the slippery slope.

      Rick

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  3. Hi Rick:

    I don't want to get too far off topic, but--do you think 'free energy' is a viable technology, or another rumor-mill creation? Have you seen real world examples? I know that opens another can of worms.

    I'm not knocking many of the testimonies--indeed, numerous attestations are eye-opening and quite believable. The progenitors of the disclosure shows appear, for all points and purposes, to shoot the entire movement in the foot by carelessly and continually dangling hollow carrots in front of short donkeys.

    EVERYthing adds to the slippery slope! Having said that--I won't put my encounters with the strange out for public consumption. I would share those privately with you.

    --Anon.

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    1. Anon,

      Of course, I don't KNOW or have any special info. I suspect that it is not available in any manner that could be `profitable in its original distribution to the general public. (who would then use it for free) IMO, the nano technology that will eventually `print products' is what is the unlimited potential. But, that is simply my opinion.

      Indeed, the testimonies IMO are most likely 100% or nearly 100% real perceptions. I also ANON do NOT rule out in any manner REAL ALIENS in crafts - I simply think that such `things' are EXTREMELY limited - especially in comparison to the total `UFO's reported. I suspect, as you may have gathered from UDCC - that much happens in our phenomenology that is related to SPACES. and how they actualize.

      Finally, you are welcome to share your high strangeness --- even with me privately if you wish. I assure you, I've had the weirdest of experiences -- we can trade a few things back and forth perhaps.

      Rick

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  4. Rick:

    I'll shoot an email to the address listed on the right sidebar. I'll refer to this page in the title.

    Regards,

    Anon.

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    1. Anon,

      I look forward to reading about your experiences. We can compare notes.

      Rick

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  5. Did you ever get my e-mail?

    Anon

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  6. NOPE - PLEASE RE-SEND - MY E MAIL IS MASTERS4EVER@AOL.COM.

    Rick

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