A Respectful Reply To Nick Redfern's `Contactees and the Absurdities of Ufology' Post

This post, originally from Feb. 2010, and on my main Squidoo.com page, - is a copy and paste. I thought I'd bring it today to my UDCC readers as I am removing it from my Squidoo page:

The Many Forms Of High Strangeness

Very recently, Nick Redfern, one of UFO's most respected and thoughtful writers and commentator - wrote a blog piece for a Fortean based website called `Contactees and the Absurdities Of Ufology' (I will have that link at the bottom of this page) - to which I'd like to offer my reply as another UFO and esoteric thought blogger - who also loves the Fortean side of things. And, as my readers know, when dealing with `contactees' and `UFO's' - one can indeed find the type of experiences that fall into what is commonly called `High Strangeness'.



Now, Nick makes several points in his serious post about the UFO devotees of today being `TOO SERIOUS' about the UFO subject matter that first person observation reports include. (Today's devotees wanting to edit out the high strangeness in the past or present reports associated with UFO's.) And that the `contactees' of yesterday were so much more colorful than today's sour-dour abductees by UFO's. Nick makes points about how the whole `contact' with aliens has changed, in his opinion, from 50 or so years ago in the early days of the UFO phenomena, and how a lot of the contactees of yesteryear had links to California and the craziness there by the late 1960's. And, Redfern also points out that the lack of seriousness attitude about UFO's and contactees could at one time attract 1000's - and yet today - with full marketing - today's UFO gatherings, (with alien abductees/contactees) draw 250 persons or so at most. (I have to think that some of this lack of motivational interest to attend these events is our societies desensitization to `alien information' over the last decades via movies and such - and the internet froth about UFO's - and the general wariness of `strange people' - ie:contactees.)


Then, finally, Mr. Redfern tells us of the fact that these `contacts' of men from Venus and such - NEVER occurred (of course?) and that they are similar to the contacts with goblins, gods, angels and fairies of yesterdays by-gone era -- and that these same archetype's will, in Nicks opinion, continue to change from the ones of abduction today - into who knows what in the future.


All in all, the post is a very good review of one of the mind approaches that must be taken - if one is to understand a part of high strangeness - and the possible reality structure in which we reside - which might indeed produce it's own phenomena in relation to mankind's cultural and consciousness level. Heavy Stuff indeed.


To nearly all of which I concur and say - here here.


But, now, I'd like to at least reply to the article directly with my take on various nuances that might be missed or glossed over in Nicks sweeping article about high strangeness - and even comment on a thing or two of his observations in his posting.


And, I guess the first thing I'd like to point out is that nearly the same absurdities are still happening today - with many still receiving messages from the space brothers - either in their brains, in person, or on crafts. (And more than in California or any hot spot and certainly with less LSD in circulation than yesteryear.) And, as is kinda implied in Redferns article, I also think that 99.99 to 100.00% of these encounters are at best `real subjective realities' with probably no real `solidness' in our reality structure. These `rescuers' of humanity - like angels, or men from Venus --- may indeed be some sort of archetype or meme. That said, unlike Nick, I tend to think they are not random in appearance but probably directed by human intentionality's in some manner.


OR, as my regular readers know - I've speculated that BILLION year old beings/entities - that may be biological, (but most likely not) machine, (most probably) or possibly billion year old dimensional entities - who have nothing better to do than interact with `supreme consciousnesses' on a living planet - may be the source of events like these high strangeness contacts.


And, of course, it is also possible, to probable, that our consciousness is part of a `living matrix' of intentionality's, beliefs, and actualizations - that while normally in `common consensus' (where we see normal, everyday, solid objects) -- can indeed be `switched' to a special consensus -- at least FOR PERCEPTION. Or, it is also about equally possible that this matrix we may exist within is not living - is artificial - and we humans may be nothing more than conscious objects/spaces in a `program'. For some reason, humans wish this to not be the case (but would it matter) - clinging to a hopeful sense of freewill in what appears to be a determined world.


So, I count at least 4 ways above that `high strangeness' - has possible `causes' . And, of course, we already know that high strangeness is NOT confined to UFO's in any way. For example, poltergeists could be `ghosts' in high strangeness mode - doppelgangers could be another `high strangeness' form of ghosts too. OR, Bigfoot's tulpas - a temporal shaping of consciousness itself.


I'd also like to challenge an assumption I see often when dredging up the `archetype' ideas (even while I support them in principle) - First, I think that the `seeing' of `hidden playmates' `fairies' goblins and such may not have been at any higher level than that of children today - which often may be a projection of fears or the lack of understanding ones situation. A creation of a reality for coping more or less - and nothing esoteric or even real perception that needs serious study. Indeed, while these things are mentioned - they certainly didn't seem to have the `meaning' ascribed (IMO) that today's seem to suggest. Today's archetypes seem to be talking to humanity via the individuals nowadays as opposed to more of a focused individual lesson in the past. That is - if `high strangeness is attributed to archetypes.


Frankly, overall, Nick and I have been talking about only one kind of high strangeness too - and IT - may have nothing to do with `our reality' at all. By that I mean - all these goblins and such - men from Venus and such - are seemingly coming from OUTSIDE of the timecone we reside within. And, only for a temporal period - when they are perceivable. And, frankly, it's a mixing of apple and oranges - because - what folks really want to talk about and believe in - when thinking about aliens and such - are aliens that are within the timecone and exist as real solid bodies with space and individuals like you and I. NOT as a meme, temporal character or tulpa.


So, part of my point is that we do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Yes, UFO's - and Bigfoot's - and Ghosts - and Goblins - and Angels - And Demons - And even concepts like Evil and perhaps Love - do seemingly exist and influence humans from beyond the timecone.


But, I plead the case that we do not throw out the potential for real phenomenological aliens, within a craft, that is not hyper-dimensional in any way - and simply end up ascribing all phenomena to temporary `non-realish' phenomena. Not when potential `living locations' may exist within our solar system if not Earth itself (and actually, any location could be developed by an advanced universe traveling group with superior technology) - for example under the oceans or underground or in very remote locations. Or, aliens able to simply employ `invisibleness' when needed.


Lets also not throw out UFO's being more real than archetypes for this reason -- if we are to believe that the `Skinwalker Ranch' had portals to another dimension - and that `portals' exist -- then we certainly do NOT need Archetypes for any significant explanation of UFO's specifically. And, indeed, if we looked more closely at the physics of `portals' - as opposed to the legends of antiquity or meme's of modern-day - we might be closer to the aliens that really matter to humans on Earth.


Here's that link for Nicks post - http://www.forteanswest.com/lowfiguesteditorial-NickRedfern0210.html


My main page on Squidoo.com - www.squidoo.com/anomalyman

Are Humans `Entertainment' For BILLION Year Old Entiites?

ADVANCED TRAVEL MACHINE 1909

In the last few days, Greg Bishop at UFO Mystic http://www.ufomystic.com/ has had a couple posts about just how different, weird, or, non-human, the aliens that visit our planet might be - stressing how we certainly may not be able to figure out their motivations or interests in our planet or human beings. Indeed, in his first post on the subject - it had a large outpouring of individuals reacting to his article. And, in one of those posts - the comment is made - as it often is on UFO sites - that any aliens visiting Earth may be a `million' years `ahead' of us in `development' (sciencewise as well as ethically).

Well, at least the comment person said a `million' - I can barely stand it when someone says 1,000 years ahead of us - with a gasp in their voice. But, since this is where our `air' transportation was 100 years ago (see picture on top of post) - I guess to that person 1,000 years in terms of the `civilizations out there' might indeed seem impressive. But,.................. it's not.

Indeed, the points that Greg brings up in his article about the `alienness' of the aliens is dead on. To fully comprehend what may be going on in our skies and perhaps even in peoples minds (abductions come to mind) - I'd say that to get a grasp on even a tiny portion of that - one needs to take a view of `time' that is truly enormous - almost really, beyond human comprehension. Because, such a view on `aliens and intelligence' would lead the thinking person on into realms involving billions of years - yes - billions.

I would hope that readers of this blog are knowledgeable enough to know that the material that our Sun is made of - and us too - are the remains of a `star' that `blew up' supposedly about 7 billion years ago. I would also hope my readers are aware that science speculates that our Universe is less than 14 billion years removed from the Big Bang event. And, finally, I would hope that my readers are aware that `stars come and go' and that stars (and most likely planets) have been present in the universe nearly all except for the first several hundred million years. But, what readers may not be aware of, is that as soon as the `heavier' elements began to be abundant - it was possible for `life' to be in the universe - a situation that could ONLY happen after the first generation of stars.

The long story short is that for BILLIONS of years - life, and indeed intelligent life - may have been present in the universe. Even intelligent live that could have been human like or beyond. So, what ultimately must be considered by folks with an interest in UFO's is that it's possible that entities or intelligences grown from our universe elements may exist in a form appropriate for life forms billions of years old. Indeed, the real question is - how would such life forms present themselves here, on Earth, about 14 billion years after the BB? AND, what could they possibly WANT from a species like human beings?

Greg Bishop in his post points out, and I agree, that they likely don't NEED us for anything, and, would probably have `solved' virtually any `problem' they had with their level of science intelligence. Indeed, if thought about - it makes the one UFO meme that the `aliens' need us for our genetics - seem silly.

Now, this isn't to say that `aliens' wouldn't exist at ALL levels of `timeframes'. Some civilizations could be billions of years old (obviously, they would be wanderers of the universe as their `parent' planet in all likelihood has been gone for eons) - although I expect that number to be quite limited. However, more and more civilizations may indeed be hundreds of millions of years old - and indeed, more would be only several million years old. And, yes, some would indeed, be only a million or even only a thousand years `ahead' of us.

Frankly, I think the odds that an alien race that is presenting itself to humans - is NOT just a thousand years ahead of us. Hundreds of thousands to many millions of years is much more likely. So, let's put ourselves into the position of a `species' that may have more than a million years advancement from humans. (And, obviously, advanced enough to NOT blow up their home planet - at least before leaving it.) What indeed could we expect from a civilization of such age - what would they want their legacy to be? What would they find of interest on planets?

Could it be that `drama' and `humor' - might fit the bill?

Did you know that in 2007 that over 200 star systems had been identified as being within 33 light years of Earth? And, that new ones are being discovered all the time (many of these are brown dwarfs - but - they too could possibly have a habitual zone too) - indeed one system recently discovered was only 12 light years away.

Now, why do I digress into these statistics?

Well, because we have been `broadcasting' to that universe for nearly 100 years. `I Love Lucy' has easily made it to over 500 if not 5000 star systems by now. And, what could be more humorous or have more drama than Human Beings? Could it be that the `things' that are seen in the sky are data collectors for that humor and drama? Would WE not watch such a `program stream' about another planet?

Are Humans Entertainment For Billion Year Old Entities?

Thanks for reading today - I'd love to read YOUR comments. Oh, and don't miss my main blog at http://www.theheavystuff.com/ where I have upwards of 80 posts on the strangest of ideas. Or, if you prefer current weirdness - I have a near daily Squidoo site about the high strangeness in the world www.squidoo.com/AnomalyMan.