A Reader Of UDCC And Addressing His Concerns

Just a couple days ago I posted a re-print of the second post I did here at UDCC - called - What if it is all true - http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-if-it-is-all-true.html where I ran thru a list of things about the UFO `legends' and considered whether they passed the `it's certainly possible' level IMO. You can read the post for more if you wish.

But, today's post is in response to an avid commenter recently on UDCC `Muzuzuzus' - and some of his response via commenting that deserves at least giving my opinions to his questions. Here's his comment:And, my answers in Red.

Well ---I have not got any asnswers just ongoing speculations. I am trying not to jump to conclusions but am looking for patterns. I agree Muz, seems patterns offer at least some substance.

I remember that guy from NORAD who supposedly predicted the NYC 'UFO flap'--maybe not thjere specifically I dunno but on that date, though this hasn't been verified. I dont know exact date he 'predicted' 13th October? He did indeed predict that date in the book prior to the event. I believe his predictions were for more cities to be involved, though I think he `belatedly' explained why it was just NYC.


But....he said that these ETs would clean up our atmosphere in the near future. true or false--? Dunno He indeed says exactly that -- and, in all honesty - has a surprisingly TRUE ring to it when one looks at ANY chart that shows the Carbon Dioxide level on Earth and how it has changed.


What IF the powers that be propaganda IS that they have been in cahoots with aliens and have back engineered their technology? Thats what Greer calims and many think he is part of a disinfo group Again, these are my opinions only. Do I believe that the world powers are literally in-touch with the aliens and working with them in some manner ----- honestly, I have no F-ing idea. Gut feel, not likely, but possible - not probable, but not dismissible. As far as back-engineering the technology - again, just my gut feel - I think well funded physicists would NOT necessarily have needed help over the last five decades. That said, is it possible that some of these extraterrestrial craft have crashed and been found? Certainly possible. And would that finding have been back engineered? Of course. -- To me, it is largely a moot point until `the goods' are proven about this phenomena and the `crafts' that are used. And, again, to me, it is impossible to know WHO is operating unknown crafts in the sky and HUMANS must also be the prime suspect. -------- Now, as far as Dr. Greer ----- the first thing I'd say is find his tag in the sidebar as I have spoke of him before. My bottom line is that his is merging in with the `Orb Callers' I have referred to recently on this blog. His greatest claim, to me, and as far as I know never answered -- is that it was HE who was actually responsible for the aliens putting on the display known as the Phoenix Lights in 1997. Again, read his tags to find out more.


What about the MJ 12 docs which Robert Hastings claims are disinfo? Muz, yes, there is disinfo - I know not who or what either. I have spoken of SERPO and others here and on my other blogs.


What about the OSI people who put the witnesses of the Rendlesham forest encounters through oppressive interrogation ioncluding injections and the one guy who the others think was 'got at' claims he saw the top brass talking with ETs. is that part of the propaganda to make out they are in cahoots with them? I have no special opinions about many specific incidents including this one.

Why would they do that? To make out they are powerful? To hide that the aliens are against their behaviour?


isn't it true that even in some seemingly abusive abductions these eliens whow graphic images of what we are doing to nature and others who are starving? Muz, you might like this answer - I recently gave what I consider to at least be an alternative to this whole experience on my blog called The Heavy Stuff - http://theheavystuff.com/?p=132 - A Twist To `Aliens’ Showing Us OUR Apocalypse




These are just some questions i am exploring. IF the psychopaths in power HAVE got this 'magical' technology we are f - It is possible that only Embracing Despair - will allow transcendence.

Finally, I want to thank the hundreds to occasional thousand or so folks that stop by daily to read about UFOs - many arriving via search engines. Please look around and get a feel for the place.

Here's another resource I've created about UFOs - on my Squidoo page - http://www.squidoo.com/AnomalyManArchive#module24423592
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ANOTHER `Hanging Jetliner' Reported Near Huntsville

Yesterday UDCC had a comment on an earlier post from Jan. 2009 that was well beyond a normal comment. As, once again, in what can only be considered the highest of high strangeness,  a Hanging Jet has been reported near Huntsville Alabama. (NASA has a major presence in the area also.)

While this `report' consisted of nothing more than the comment on this blog (shown below) and found below the first report - here - http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2009/01/another-report-of-hanging-jetliner-ufo.html

"i saw the same thing today in huntsville, i live a mile from the airport. A 747 just sitting still in mid-air. Saw it for 15 seconds until the trees blocked my view. It was a perfectly calm sunny day today. My sister and I both saw it."

And, yes, tracing the name of the `poster' of the comment brings up a Page of a Mark Miller - but has no way of contact. So, I do ask Mr. Miller, or his sister, to contact me here at UDCC as I'd love to ask you a few questions.

Now, of course, Mr. Miller's statement may be nothing more than a Mind F - but, in the spirit of what is possible - it would be interesting to consider what may be going on - and here I will quote some material from the FIRST report coverage.

First, this is at least the THIRD time I have heard of the description of a `hanging plane' and since one experiencer had it happen to THEM before - four occasions of the event. And, looking at just the two Huntsville reports - each was in broad daylight under ideal viewing conditions. Not only that, in tracing the location of the first report and `being north of the airport' - would be in the general same area of Huntsville - both near the big Government Airport too.

Certainly, it is beyond `odd' that the same high strangeness event would happen in the same town WITHIN two years - to different people. Wouldn't it be wonderful for more witnesses in Huntsville to come forward if they exist? That said, can anyone sound like anything other than an idiot to say such stuff? As, obviously, even saying a hanging UFO would probably be `more believeable'. Perhaps other brave ones will come forward.

Can this be some sort of cloaking program? Or, is some alien technology hanging out in Huntsville for some reason? In my first post about this phenomena in 2009 I wrote this:

So, what is one to make of all this? That `space-crafts' can come in different shapes and forms? (Again, on my Squidoo page and again dated 1-18 is the report - with picture - of a `Blue MuscleCar' `ufo' - in this case perhaps an example of pareidolia - a quarter word I've learned lately.) Or, that `cloaking' can be in any form - from cloaking where nothing is seen - to a cloaking that fits the singular desires or perceptions of a particular individual (s). Perhaps it is only my opinion, but any race or entity that can `get' to Earth - in all probability has cloaking ability. The UDCC has long wondered why the skeptics wonder `where are' all the `crafts' - or `mother craft sized vehicles'; - easy, and, cloaking is the very simple answer.


Colin Bennett described his experience this way as I quoted in the first post (Colin is the other NON-Huntsville Hanging Plane experiencer):

Certainly my “encounter” convinced me that we live in a vaster framework of being and existence than we could possibly imagine. I had the sobering thought that this manifestation was the kind of thing George Adamski and many others saw. This kind of technology, not far removed from holographic TV, could produce a “man from Venus” at the drop of a hat. It would be an equally sobering experience for scientists to find that their discoveries were part of a multi-dimensional media/gaming entertainment system of many levels of focus, development, and application.

And, I summarized my ultimate take the first post this way:

Perhaps that is the final fear - that `it' - `reality' isn't real in a manner we are normally satisfied with experiencing - that perhaps it is some sort of giant entertainment system. But, perhaps it isn't a hologram - perhaps the `strangeness' lies somewhere in the ontology of consciousness compared to the ontology of beingness. Perhaps in that strange state - a suspension of what qualifies as time doesn't have meaning --- stretchingggg the moment into eons if needed.

So, what do I think if indeed this experience is replicating for at least one individual and in at least one location? My gut feel is that indeed some cloaking is involved - with `the source' impossible to know with the available info. More worrisome perhaps is that the perception of a jetliner is being PUT into peoples minds inadvertently in some manner - by who knows who.


So, Mr. Miller - please, more details - how high was the jet, where was the jet, what colors and details of the jet, etc.

Finally, as you can see, the UFO Disclosure Countdown Clock gave up 15 minutes from it's late 10:30 PM setting in November - I'll explain a bit of that logic in an upcoming post.




first huntsville report - http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009/huntsville010909.html
my ufo archive that contained the above link and many more - http://www.squidoo.com/AnomalyManArchive#module24423592

Digging into high strangeness:
High Strangeness - Hyperdimensions and the Process of Alien Abduction
Files From the Edge: A Paranormal Investigator?s Explorations into High Strangeness
Glimpses of Other Realities: High Strangeness (Volume II)

What IF It Is All True?

WHAT IF -- It's ALL TRUE?



Indeed, what if everything we've read over the last 30 years is true to some degree about the whole UFO spectrum? And, I mean everything -- Roswell was a `flying saucer crash with dead bodies'; Jackie Gleason indeed saw those or similar dead aliens; Travis Walton indeed was abducted and lifted thru the air into an unidentified craft via a beam of light; `back engineering' indeed has produced a shadow government hiding it's secrets; the Phoenix Lights were real; a `craft' indeed DID hover over O'Hare airport in broad daylight in 2006; there are 50+ `races' of aliens `visiting' the Earth; Ufo's exist.


What is to say that it all isn't true? It's really not a big leap of intellect to see how just these limited examples may indeed be true (and have, of course, huge implications - the reason for the `cover-up') and form the basis for where UFOlogy is today for the media. In denial. (Seems everyone is doing these year end sum-ups too.)


It's fun to be a commentator on UFO's without having the burdensome need to write books or defend some `turf' within the Ufo spectrum. That said, I have specifically enjoyed being one of the most prominent voices about the O'Hare Ufo Incident in my blog http://www.theheavystuff.com/ -- that commentary specifically was picked up by even mainstream carriers. I try my best to put forth the common mans viewpoint.


So, back to just that -- how it may ALL be true.


First, - when the saucer crashed at Roswell - the government was less sophisticated about information management then nowadays. MUCH less sophisticated. To the point of even being truthful as a first response to new information. Those days are long gone, and indeed, ended, that very day - because as you know, one day later the story changed. OF course it changed. OUR society depended on it changing. Power structures too numerous to name were not happy with such an announcement - including religions; politicians; history professors and more. OF course the announcement was changed.


But, that `lie' only places the 'aliens' as `arriving' -- not as part of our history -- and NOT as anything currently ON the earth (just trying to get here). And, that folklore lived sufficiently well for a decade or two or so. But during that very time frame, mankind was moving off our planet - and the `thoughts' of the public turned to the notion again that `they' might come here to explore. UFO's took on a new realism to the media while the media still poo-poohing any notion that `occupants' of these crafts might be in `contact' with authorities or even with the common folk. Slowly, Roswell again emerged via research as perhaps being a story with merit to the media. Indeed, stories began to emerge like Jackie Gleason's authorized permission to see `bodies' (and secrecy about Area 51) - and - at about the same time -- the abduction of Travis Walton seeped into world consciousness. (Were these indeed aliens who could defy physics by levitating a body?)


So, then, by the 70's, we had a real existence of non-humans allowed (in a sense) to become part of the consciousness of America - we even had a President not doubting the possibility. The movie ET came out. And, with that, and at about that very moment - the government/media silence began in earnest. The whole subject was to be treated as entertainment ONLY.


It was obvious that IF the stories were true; more questions would need to be asked of the powers that be; and indeed, answers would need to be forthcoming. Instead, the media stuck their collective heads in the sands (by pressure?) and decided that smirking would constitute their involvement with the UFO issue. FOR nearly TWO DECADES.


Then, came `The Phoenix Lights' and the Black Triangles in the skies. No longer was it JUST little saucers `exploring' our planet. SOMETHING much larger (no pun intended) seemed to be going on than just exploration by another species. THE DISPLAYS were getting much more hard to ignore -- folks like Greer were organizing (he says he motivated the aliens to do the Phoenix event in his book). Suddenly, the threat from outer space (and the awe) was coming back into consciousness - the whole seriousness of the matter. (Asteroids smashing into Earth was hot too.) Meanwhile, the worlds whole need for answers to the need for more energy was also becoming apparent.


As the late 90's continued, other things became obvious - that were not being spoken of - contrails for one. The deception was now right in the peoples faces almost daily about things of a WORLD nature. Daring even the weathermen on TV to speak up about it. But, somehow, the media stuck with the power structure regardless - squelching all contrail stories. Maintaining the level of high strangeness reported - except during the `rating sweeps'.


Now, really folks and dear readers. Is it really so hard to fathom other civilizations? NO - to most of us. Who, because they may have been thinking and civilized an additional BILLION years beyond humans -- might have abilities or machines capable of what seems to be miraculous to our understanding? NO, to most of us. Or, is it really so hard to fathom that mankind indeed could back engineer a UFO craft if they found one? NO, to most of us. Is it really so hard to fathom that 50+ civilizations in this part of the universe may have figured out how to `master light speed/travel'? (Somehow it even seems like a likely number.) Is it really so hard to fathom that a civilization millions to billions of years more advanced may NOT be interested in formally `speaking as God' to a race of beings? NOT to ME. (I always laugh when newspaper writers or TV spokesmen go "they may be hundreds of years advanced beyond us -- hundreds is laughable.) Is it really so hard to fathom why the government DOESN'T tell us that these beings could destroy the Earth if they chose to ? NO, IT 'S NOT HARD TO fathom at all.


Imagine if the world governments ADMITTED `they' were here BUT that the governments HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH COMMUNICATION. What would THAT SAY?


Could this be the actual case folks? That the government knows that they are here, knows they are Superior, but also knows, that `they' have no overall intention of helping us out of our collective stupidity. Only being useful to the aliens as some sort of biology subjects before our extinction - not very encouraging at all - and, a little bit frightening. Especially to an invasion force now willing to do the obvious with events like O'Hare and Phoenix (others would say Mexico City and the many more of recent times too). An invasion force challenging our very idea of the power structure. Someone who thinks the government is going to come forward if that is the situation is - IN denial.


Finally, I hereby publicly admit to seeing a `saucer' close-up in 1991. A totally silent `craft' in daylight (just before dawn's full light) - that changed my outlook on information about anomalies. Personally, I have NO IDEA who was `driving' that craft - or if it was even being driven. I have no problem thinking that mankind has secretly back engineered some alien craft for military advantage. The secret budgets are there and so is the will and intelligence.


So, what if - it's all true? What then?
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(This is a re-print of the second post I ever did on UDCC on Dec. 22nd, 2007)