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Saturday, December 4, 2010
A Reader Of UDCC And Addressing His Concerns
Just a couple days ago I posted a re-print of the second post I did here at UDCC - called - What if it is all true - http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-if-it-is-all-true.html where I ran thru a list of things about the UFO `legends' and considered whether they passed the `it's certainly possible' level IMO. You can read the post for more if you wish.
But, today's post is in response to an avid commenter recently on UDCC `Muzuzuzus' - and some of his response via commenting that deserves at least giving my opinions to his questions. Here's his comment:And, my answers in Red.
Well ---I have not got any asnswers just ongoing speculations. I am trying not to jump to conclusions but am looking for patterns. I agree Muz, seems patterns offer at least some substance.
I remember that guy from NORAD who supposedly predicted the NYC 'UFO flap'--maybe not thjere specifically I dunno but on that date, though this hasn't been verified. I dont know exact date he 'predicted' 13th October? He did indeed predict that date in the book prior to the event. I believe his predictions were for more cities to be involved, though I think he `belatedly' explained why it was just NYC.
But....he said that these ETs would clean up our atmosphere in the near future. true or false--? Dunno He indeed says exactly that -- and, in all honesty - has a surprisingly TRUE ring to it when one looks at ANY chart that shows the Carbon Dioxide level on Earth and how it has changed.
What IF the powers that be propaganda IS that they have been in cahoots with aliens and have back engineered their technology? Thats what Greer calims and many think he is part of a disinfo group Again, these are my opinions only. Do I believe that the world powers are literally in-touch with the aliens and working with them in some manner ----- honestly, I have no F-ing idea. Gut feel, not likely, but possible - not probable, but not dismissible. As far as back-engineering the technology - again, just my gut feel - I think well funded physicists would NOT necessarily have needed help over the last five decades. That said, is it possible that some of these extraterrestrial craft have crashed and been found? Certainly possible. And would that finding have been back engineered? Of course. -- To me, it is largely a moot point until `the goods' are proven about this phenomena and the `crafts' that are used. And, again, to me, it is impossible to know WHO is operating unknown crafts in the sky and HUMANS must also be the prime suspect. -------- Now, as far as Dr. Greer ----- the first thing I'd say is find his tag in the sidebar as I have spoke of him before. My bottom line is that his is merging in with the `Orb Callers' I have referred to recently on this blog. His greatest claim, to me, and as far as I know never answered -- is that it was HE who was actually responsible for the aliens putting on the display known as the Phoenix Lights in 1997. Again, read his tags to find out more.
What about the MJ 12 docs which Robert Hastings claims are disinfo? Muz, yes, there is disinfo - I know not who or what either. I have spoken of SERPO and others here and on my other blogs.
What about the OSI people who put the witnesses of the Rendlesham forest encounters through oppressive interrogation ioncluding injections and the one guy who the others think was 'got at' claims he saw the top brass talking with ETs. is that part of the propaganda to make out they are in cahoots with them? I have no special opinions about many specific incidents including this one.
Why would they do that? To make out they are powerful? To hide that the aliens are against their behaviour?
isn't it true that even in some seemingly abusive abductions these eliens whow graphic images of what we are doing to nature and others who are starving? Muz, you might like this answer - I recently gave what I consider to at least be an alternative to this whole experience on my blog called The Heavy Stuff - http://theheavystuff.com/?p=132 - A Twist To `Aliens’ Showing Us OUR Apocalypse
These are just some questions i am exploring. IF the psychopaths in power HAVE got this 'magical' technology we are f - It is possible that only Embracing Despair - will allow transcendence.
Finally, I want to thank the hundreds to occasional thousand or so folks that stop by daily to read about UFOs - many arriving via search engines. Please look around and get a feel for the place.
Here's another resource I've created about UFOs - on my Squidoo page - http://www.squidoo.com/AnomalyManArchive#module24423592
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"isn't it true that even in some seemingly abusive abductions these eliens whow graphic images of what we are doing to nature and others who are starving? Muz, you might like this answer - I recently gave what I consider to at least be an alternative to this whole experience on my blog called The Heavy Stuff - http://theheavystuff.com/?p=132 - A Twist To `Aliens’ Showing Us OUR Apocalypse"
ReplyDeleteI have read it and it is an interesting idea, but I don't necessarily buy it. I feel what is said to being shown is more real and direct and meant. Here's my reasoning:
IF you were to review the way America was before the Europeans hit those shores from 15th century on, we know that the vidersity and richness of the land was bountiful, and the rivers and streams you could drink out of.
NOT now!
I recently saw an horrendous picture. I will try and relay the image to you. Picture a faily wide roda running through the mos beautiful countryside of hills and trees--in South America. As far as you could see the road was FULL of garbage that had been dumped because of fly-tipping. Toxic un-rottable waste. It made me feel nauseous.
Tigers are said to only have a few years before they go extinct.
The pollution of earth with radiation from nukes, and depleted uranium.
All the trees being cut down in the LAST rainforests left!
The pollution of the seas with plastic and oil.
I could go on and on and on.
Now meanshile millions of people are under the toxic spell of propaganda which comes in many forms including the bread and circuses of the 'entertainment industry' which amongst other things has them consuming consuming --more toxic trash, and keeping them blind to WHAT IS REALLY DIRECTLY GOING ON! Which is the destruction of the web of life.
Muz -- Appreciate your response as always. I am not quite as dire but not by much as I think the collapse will much more likely be about the economic structure. It is one reason I started yet another blog looking at this aspect of our reality - that the structure itself may collapse. the blog is http://whentheshtf.blogspot.com
ReplyDeleteMy post on THS was meant to be `an alternative' to the experience - I would be more than willing to say that it is somewhat possible on the spectrum that a FEW people have been alien abducted and `shown the future' -- but, to me, other ideas hold JUST as much sway.
Obviously, you are an environmentalist - a noble endevor. That said, IMO, I don't believe it is as dire as you say based on just one thing. And this may come as a shock as it seems almost no one talks about it.
Anyway, here's my one point of a glimmer of hope in the dire enviroment situation you describe (and letting aside that global warming has reached a plateau in the last decade) -- I KNOW - FOR A FACT -- that when I was growing up in the Cleveland Ohio area in the 1950's that the AIR HAZE was MUCH WORSE than today's summer smog. MUCH WORSE. (I won't say how much cleaner lake erie is now either.)
Anyway, I say that simply to provide some evidence to the contrary of what is the commonly held viewpoints - something I have a penchant for.
Have you started your blog about the nyc event yet?
best to you,
R.P.
Hi Rick
ReplyDeleteI have been researching the UFO phenomenon from every possible angle I can think of since especially the NYC event, and my intention was to by now have a blog up about what I have researched up to now. But it is SO mindboggingly complex I haven't been able to get an ...errrm theme as yet.
But I AM learning a lot
I believe the NORAD guy has predicted major flaps over Moscow and London in 2011? We will see we will see
Going back to ecology. I have spent a lot of time communicating with anarchoprimitivists who make it their central concern to reveal what is actually going on with planet Earth--and it IS overwhelming. Imagine being in a space ship and being able to see what is going on. Even looking via Google earth you can see how these growing cities are like concrete cancers which consume the natural world! And the demand all energy and resources from larger surrounding areas.
Muz,
ReplyDeleteAgain, thanks for your comments, civil dialouge and points of view.
The NYC event(s) would seemingly be able to be a stand alone site -- and could trace JUST the phenomena there--- going back in time and continuing. I know, and I'm sure you know, that alot of material - just YouTube videos - exist of various NYC anomalous sky phenomena. AND NY State as well.
But, you are exactly correct - when I had my UFO experience in 1991 - suddenly I had to consume all the available UFO books -- it is overwhelming in the breadth of thinking about the phenomena. It's one reason I say that there are four types of entities (as I've done on my blog The Heavy Stuff).
Anyway, your passion for the subject would easily allow you to do a daily gig with some punch and I encourage you to go for it.
And, concerning ecology and the anarchoprimitivists, ----- it would disappoint me if the anarchoprimitivists DIDN'T think some extreme view (of which, as a man of probabilities I'd say they have some argrument of course)-- it is important to remember that what we see IS the balance -- which changes relatively slowly.
To me, and it is only an opinion, there are reasons for significant concern as even the plateau of Global Warming looks to be quite threatening to the overall changes that could occur to the planet. As you have probably gathered, I hold the view that the contrail/chemtrail increase is much less nefarious than others -- my view is that they have STOPPED GLOBAL WARMING IN ITS TRACKS -- now, unfortunately, the temps are not going down.
Also, IMO, the carbon dioxide levels should be on EVERYONES minds -- so, it is facts such as these that concern me more than the percentage of cement going from .015% of the Earth's surface to .017% -- (I use this only as an example -- I think the numbers are indeed slightly higher).
And, while pollution is a concern to me --- OF COURSE --- genetic playing with food, and mans mistreatment of the oceans - is a bigger concern IMO.
Finally, the human demand for more and more is probably the one area I agree 100% - as I position the overpopulation problem on my Politics blog with some frequency. It is unforgivable that our politicians lack the balls to take on the religion groups in this issue.
Makes one wonder.
Rick
There is also the deep connection between psychedelics (also known as entheogens, and more anciently as plant teachers, Medicina, etc) and UFOs and their occupants. This is what I mean about coming at this from all angles.
ReplyDeleteThe rweason why it is so mindblowingly big--for me--is that it implies an interdisciplinary approach.
Many researchers I feel tend to stick to one or at the most two issues, and dont do other stuff like the whole politcal side of this. Even exopolitics dont talk much about the psychedelic aspects right?
But when talking about how some reports have the entities mentions how we are trating nature in a wrong way then this split HAS to include this subject of psychedelics, because it is the suppression of these plants that has caused this sense of separation from the natural world!
I first had LSD when I was 15 many moons ago. In the small time from being little to that age (which for a kid is forever lol) I could realize after my incredibly life-changing experiences with LSD how I had changed from being a small kid into the magic and wonder of nature into a hardened kid---drilled via school and media to fall in love with the image of the big concrete neon lit city. In that period nature was just a backdrop i threw litter at, and i was getting a sadistic streak.
So I am very aware of this strak running through the powers that be who see fit to treat the natural world with such disrespect because they don't understand it is sacred.
Muz,
ReplyDeleteAppreciate your insights. I have similar altered states to reflect upon too. I will assume that you are aware of some of the reported states from DMT - which includes entities some of which are insectlike.
What if somehow the DMT molecule is triggered in anyone or everyone - or those with a particular thought or intentionality pattern?
But, the bigger issue you bring up is the nature of the level of conciousneess that the `aliens' would have. To that I would respond, which aliens? As to me, there are more than one type of phenomena that would fit the general category of alien. As I've said, at least four distinct types IMO. http://theheavystuff.com/?p=100
Finally, I would suggest that at least some of the entities would be potentially involved on the `mind' side of humans --- clearly self-awareness can produce some high strangeness events or at least the perception of such.
R.P.
HI Rick
ReplyDeleteI am enjoying our conversation :)
Not sure if I have mentioned this before--about the myth of the 'fallen angels'? This is very interesting, because so many time I hear speaking about this myth in the more esoteric Ufology fields.
Most will assume these UFOs and entities are the fallen angels.
but not many seem to be aware of the important research done by John Allegro, and revealed in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, where he argues that the so-called fallen angels are really meaning the entheogenic mushrooms--also known as 'sons of god'..
Basically that yes they were of course secretly part of the inner cirlce of the initiates--and knowledge of this is very cleverly hidden in the text and symbolism. However any taking of the 'sacraments' OUTSIDE of the initates of the Church was believed to be diabolic, for their very myth has nature and mankind as 'fallen'. So any interdimensional interaction with reality was deemed a no no, and this was a big reason for their Inquisition against women, heretics, etc.
The split that has happened in western consciousness is VERY profound so is it any wonder that the highest reports of 'abudction' occur in the 'superpower' America?
Saying this I am not saying it is 'all in the mind'. In fact just saying that betrays the presumptions OF this split fostered on us via propaganda.