My Response To Joe Capp's `Ufo's What Are They Seeing?'

A few days ago I posted here in the Ufo Disclosure Countdown Clock (UDCC), and yesterday, the post was picked up by the editor of The Anomalist.com and coupled with a post from the blog of Joe Capp. Both of our posts asked our readers to consider certain things and viewpoints about the ufo issue - like all blogs do. I asked my readers to consider that the `actual' demand for Ufo Disclosure by the public in America is not that significant in real numbers; and, Mr. Capp asked his readers to consider the considerable evidence about the alien phenomena here on Earth. And, as you can tell from the title on my post today - I will be responding to Joe.


Just a bit of background. Both Joe and I have seen at least one `UFO' -- I describe my experience here http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-ufo-experience.html. If you read this post linked I describe all aspects of having an Ufo experience - and indeed - it's not as simple as is generally thought of. Joe Capp is an especially good describer of the effects that result from seeing an indisputable `Ufo'.


So, back to Mr. Capp's post. The first thing Joe does is point at a 1964 case with a rock solid witness who at close range saw not only a ufo but 3 aliens outside of the landed craft. The case included physical evidence witnessed by others. Joe then goes on to say these `small' beings have been seen all over the world too and usually associated with ufo's.


My response to Joe in this first instance - the one that really matters (because we are talking about real on the ground aliens) is this; - numbers matter. And, while I do not dispute the nature of existing claims of aliens being seen on the ground - the occurrence is very very very rare. So rare that one conclusion could be that very very few aliens are actually `around' Earth (or almost never need to get out of their craft in the presence of humans). Indeed, some questions that need to be asked might be `do the `aliens' need some sort of level of population for breeding purposes?' or `are we to assume that alien `breeding' takes place on `their home' planet (or base near or on Earth) and that they only visit Earth?'



And, to this speculative end -- except in the `underground aliens in the southwest USA stories' - `normal folks' never seem to report `large numbers' of aliens. Stories from `Abductees' generally indicate that they only see a limited number of beings - not large numbers. (No one reports going onto a space craft and seeing hordes ready to populate the Earth.) So, that brings me to speculate that - the beings that are being seen are either beings that travel in crafts beyond the speed of light and therefore can go back to their `planet' for replenishment - or - are the `limited exploration crew' sent from planets into the universe. These would be planets like ours that have developed the means to travel below the speed of light and are civilized enough to invest in `explorers' of the universe (the `beings' and the `craft' being a bragging representation to other worlds that `we got to you before you got to us').

But, the latter would need to be a very magnanimous society to fund such an esoteric idea with no promise of return on investment. Or, perhaps, those in such a position are `the select' sent into space when a home planet citizens are doomed by planet ending events. But, my main point is this --- `we' don't need to be concerned that 1,000's - literally - 1,000's of unidentified `objects' are seen in the skies each year (as there might indeed be other explanations than `alien craft') - or - that `1,000's' of UFO's are in the skies (but, due to cloaking - that may be possible) - what we need to be concerned with are probably `a limited number' of actual `alien' craft - of which - only a % is `manned' in all probability. To me, it's much more likely that the monitoring of Earth - if done by an alien craft - is as likely - if not moreso - to NOT have a crew - or - might have a `crew' that is less than biological.

After all, a civilization with the knowledge and stability to send a craft to Earth is likely to have robotics we can't even imagine in the era we live in today. So, as little as I enjoy saying it -- even `seen aliens' -- may not really be what we consider `real life beings'. But, really - all that is immaterial - what matters is that `some' `aliens' seem to have been seen and be beyond any reasonable explanation. I accept that a few are around - but - only a few. (This does NOT rule out MORE than one alien race being visitors of Earth - indeed - logic would suggest more than one if there are any.)

Mr. Capp then provides his `second' challenge to skeptics about Ufo's by citing what is now a well known case of an UFO interfering with a nuke missile system in 1967 (and to Joe's point - there exists a video of a Ufo shooting down a missile in the air). And, with this point by Joe - he hits the nail on the head. Ufo's are a national defense issue at some level - and were treated as such in the early days of the first Ufo wave in the late 40's and early 50's. Indeed, in posts I've made before I've stressed this national security aspect - especially in instances like this or such as the O'Hare Ufo Incident. And, since big media is `made' to treat the subject as entertainment - and not as a `concern' -- we are unlikely to visit this issue anytime soon. Indeed, this could be the very reason that UFO disclosure is NOT coming anytime soon.

So, Joe, I accept that a few Ufo's have displayed `their power' in ways that `show mankind' of their `power' and abilities. I think our government knows it too. To know that ones species is not as advanced as others - when we've assumed we were `it' for thousands of years - is a little disconcerting. It makes humans appear `weak'. It is not one of the nice cuddly aspects of the ufo phenomena. (Come to think of it - are there any?) I also assume that the `security' side of the phenomena - is the reason for much of the mis-direction and mis-information being fed into the ufo community over the years (decades).

However, I think one thing is also true --- and this is just my opinion - and, that is - in the 1950's the governments of the world did indeed decide that the phenomena was not of `immediate concern' to overall security. And, over the ensuing decades, the governments have become even more convinced that the aliens are not going to invade or dramatically intervene in our human matters here. That said, I think the phenomena of ufo's - probably conduct a limited amount of `abductions' (during of which there may be brainwashing) - probably conduct a limited number of cattle mutilations for a reason unknown to us - and occasionally`display' themselves - to demonstrate some value or meaning to humans. (Crop circles and such.)

No, I do not think any of the above are black-ops of the standard government structure - that said, who knows what `structure' lies outside of the `standard' government idea. Folks would be naive to think that the billions that `disappear' in certain budgets or the huge underworld of dollars (funded by illegal things) - don't make it to certain `underground' government activities. I think we all have also speculated that the need for secrecy may have evolved into some `world cartel' on this information and perhaps world projects in response.


Continuing.

Then, Mr. Capp brings up the similar experiences of different `bedroom abductees' - and suggests that they may be ET's - or - any of the other suggestions made by critics of those suggesting alien abductions from the bedroom. ------------- My response is that IMO most of these experiences are an area of real phenomenology but are indeed subjective to the one that experiences the event. I also think the other offered `ideas' by Joe account for a significant % of the experiences and the the remainder are having the subjective experience that DMT users have had. In other words, a subjective brain phenomenology, in general.

All that said, do `a few' of these abductees - get abducted by real physical aliens - IMO - yes. But, a very very few - perhaps 100's or even 1,000's - but NOT millions - as the `common literature' pushed at the gullible says.

Joe then goes on to talk about the Ufo flap over Washington D.C. in 1952 - My response -- I would simply say that most of the `events' were real and that our governments `hand' was being `forced' or `called' in some sort of way. But, to me, this is nothing more than point two above - the national security issue. That said, your pointing out that the aliens KNEW to target D.C. -- would seem to be a mighty big co-incidence to skeptics. Or should be.

Joe then describes the above (that I refer to) missile being shot out of the sky and other hard evidence -- My Response -- It's rare evidence of a rare thing. Ufo's are not everywhere - but - they are out there.


Then, Mr. Capp writes this:

"We have got to start to put this together in our minds. We continue to write as if there were no detailed history of UFO cases from all over the world. We act as if within those reports don’t include a large body evidence by credible witnesses describing little creatures that don’t look human .If this is not technology then what is it? For decades we have been recording a presence all over the world with our modern instruments… and while we debate what that presence could be, IT has behaved awfully like a strategic intelligence conveying powerful, yet non-verbal, messages. I think many in the military have understood completely what those messages are: they are from a technological intelligence."

I believe Joe again - hits the nail on the head with this analysis.


Finally, Joe speaks about an amazing case that I bet most folks have never heard about -- it's one in which over 50 kids claimed to see aliens. I am also aware of this case and have a link to it on one of my Squidoo pages. It's an amazing story. I also believe that an Ufo phenomenology event occurred. But note -- this is ONE example - and - is a rare, rare, one of a kind event. Of which who knows the motives of the intelligence being displayed to these kids. You see, I believe that at least part and perhaps a significant amount of UFO activity --- could be different types of entities than `aliens' dependent on technology to `get to Earth'. Indeed, I believe in `entities' easily as much as `aliens'.



Joe also goes on to make the great points about black-ops too;such as how not one person has ever come forward about these black-op's or been outed by investigation. His words:


"Over and over again, we hear intelligent people say these experiences are not ET related. Are they saying that we have a clandestine, well-trained military squad of very small people piloting these black projects? Does that make sense?Vertically challenged people riding and piloting these above top secret objects…even to this day? It is funny we never had one of these small people come forward…none of them have integrity?This is, to me, a filtering of the reported cases to fit an agenda."


Finally, Mr. Capp turns to question the very motives that ET's might have for doing what they seem to do:


"It may be many motives or different motives for different races. We can surmise they don’t want to be a public certainty but they do not want to be unknown. Are we saying as humans we can’t write any explainable intelligent motive behind that behavior? We know sometimes they appear in strange and confusing ways, seemingly not making sense. Just because something may appear not to make sense, doesn’t mean it can’t make sense.To say it is a “far cry” or a “real stretch” for any informed person to conclude that the predominant model to explain UFOs and their occupants is indeed Extra-Terrestrial is the real nonsense."



So, finally, let us examine Joe's final point - motive. What motive would a visiting intelligence - greater than mankind - have for NOT wanting public certainty, yet, WANTING to be known as existing? --------- Well, I'll bite. What if it's something similar to what some of the `ufo nuts' say? What if the `aliens' are a mix of `monitoring entities' that monitor life bearing planets that seemingly have some intelligent species? The `aliens' may indeed have a `have peace - not war' message to impart to abductees - knowing that life bearing planets with intelligence are NOT a dime a dozen. The `aliens' may indeed `interfere' with our NUKE missiles - that could be standard protocol for all we humans know. And, they may abduct our livestock for any number of reasons - including food or organs for themselves - or monitoring the quality of our food supply.



BUT, perhaps, there is much more than UFO's in our skies - perhaps some of the fortean things we see are much more esoteric in nature. What if Tulpas are real for example? They could account for many many `sightings' of `lights in the sky'. And, the spirit of our human consciousnesses, could indeed by a part of a noosphere of intelligence - that could display on Earth in various ways perhaps - including crop circles. And, finally, the chance that some entities/real aliens MIGHT not need crafts and indeed travel above the speed of light and outside of the timecone of now - makes virtually ANY representation of that phenomena possible - these `things' probably are temporal characters with a fleeting existence in our reality. Indeed, like Joe's opening line - quoting Shakespeare - that there are more things in heaven and earth - is dead on.



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